Roses And Thorns

Our "short" episode is still 50 minutes. You're welcome. We're planning to take a hiatus due to time restrictions. We're hoping to be back later, but we'll have to just wait and see what the future holds!

Not only did the previous week not end of a rose ceremony, they didn't even finish all the dates last week! And they didn't even show us who got the group date rose! Are they trying to make us lose our minds?

Why are we still talking about shrimp? Does it matter if Elizabeth was in the hot tub? Is Clayton actually a gold retriever that morphed into a human? Seriously, who was that family? Did anyone consider flag football instead? When will Serene get her date? Why don't more cities utilize the space next to their rivers? All this and more on this week's episode!

Questions that we have after this episode: - What exactly did Cassidy think Clayton was going to talk to her about? - What is Shanae's endgame? - Why were there so few shrimp in the first place? - WHAT IS SHANAE'S ENDGAME??

Two villains emerge this week, but one definitely sucks worse than the other.

Was this the most dramatic night one ever? Probably not, but it did keep me on my toes.

Join our Bachelor league for Clayton's season! https://app.bachbracket.com/league/512   The new season begins Monday, January 3.

Welcome to this special quiet edition of Roses and Thorns. Listen as we attempt to record an episode without waking up my 3 year old niece who was sleeping upstairs. Were we successful? Listen and find out!

Ok, we did NOT see this ending coming! We're still reeling from watching what we were sure was going to be the next great Bachelor Nation romance just shatter before our very eyes.

It's the moment no one has been waiting for, the Men Tell All! It's chock full of gimmicks and little to no accountability!

Honestly, this was just a lovely hometowns week. 

In this episode, Ryan and Kelly struggle to remember what happened last Tuesday on The Bachelorette despite their several pages of notes.

This episode is brought to you by the letter S.

Sometimes it feels like the hardest part of making this podcast is coming up with titles and descriptions.

There were so many things in this episode that we did not see coming. When did Brandon start looking grown-up? When did we start liking Martin? Why did Jamie REFERENCE THE AUDIENCE?! So many questions.

Today's episode brought to you by canned margarita!

It's Michelle's night one, and she is stunning. The budget is clearly higher for this season of The Bachelorette than it was for the last two seasons, but the large staircase makes for some awkward quiet moments. To get ahead of ourselves on this, CORRECTION CORNER: Ryan was not the host of a Bachelor Live on Stage but what THE BACHELOR for a Bachelor Live on Stage!! Join our fantasy bracket: https://bachelorette.bachbracket.com/leagues/168608

We're baaaaaaack!!! And we're a little out of practice, but we're nonetheless excited to recap Michelle's journey on the upcoming season of The Bachelorette (premieres Tuesday, October 19).   Join our Bach Bracket league! Guess who's going to get roses each week at https://bachelorette.bachbracket.com/leagues/168608

Since we didn't recap this season week-by-week, we decided to do the whole season all at once! We give our overall impressions of the season, as well as discussing the big moments (that we remember).

We unfortunately won't be able to recap Katie's season, but we did go through the cast bios for the men on her season! There are an alarming number of people describing what kind of lover they are...